Gay Marriage Ban Indefensible

2008 October 22
by Matt Deaton

Should we constitutionally ban gay marriage? Obama says no, McCain says no, Biden says no. But Palin says yes, revealed in an interview with Christian Broadcasting Network correspondent David Brody published Monday. While CBN applauded, all conceivable secular arguments supporting the ban fail, so McCain might reconsider the wisdom of his running mate.

“I’m not going to be out there judging individuals, sitting in a seat of judgment telling what they can and can’t do, should and should not do, but I certainly can express my own opinion here and take actions that I believe would be best for traditional marriage and that’s casting my votes and speaking up for traditional marriage that, that instrument that it’s the foundation of our society is that strong family and that’s based on that traditional definition of marriage, so I do support that.”

Though religious prohibitions abound, mounting a successful secular argument against homosexuality is notoriously difficult. Some say it spreads disease, but so does unprotected heterosexual sex. Some say it doesn’t lead to reproduction, but neither does contraceptive aided heterosexual sex, sex between infertile heterosexual partners, or even kissing between heterosexuals. Some attack the “homosexual lifestyle,” but what’s really at issue is the supposed lifestyle itself—promiscuous sex with random partners, drug use, etc—not the sexual orientation of those involved. And some insist that being gay is a choice, not biological (though I can’t imagine why anyone would choose to frustrate their natural heterosexuality and seek out persecution), but this is a moot point if there are no other strikes against it.

So it’s completely consistent to personally denounce homosexual marriage—based on religion or whatever—but at the same time oppose a legal ban.

But here Palin doesn’t want to outlaw, or even denounce it as immoral. Instead she’s pushing the “sanctity of marriage” argument—that such a fundamental institution can’t afford to be compromised. Indeed, homosexuals usually don’t reproduce, and a state that doesn’t repopulate isn’t a state for very long.

The obvious reply is that heterosexuals have done a pretty shoddy job of taking marriage seriously themselves, so what we need are more committed partners, regardless of their orientation. Maybe pre-licensing interviews and mandatory relationship counseling would do the trick. Plus, gays aren’t going to reproduce regardless of whether they’re married, so population issues don’t apply. (Actually, lesbian couples might be more likely to visit the sperm bank if they were legally married…) So those are the best secular arguments against it, and they all fall short.

Don’t get me wrong—I’m not flippantly ignoring the religious arguments. Religious reasoning is certainly appropriate in our personal lives, and can even predispose our policy positions. Following the doctrine of divine command theory, whatever God says goes, so a personal aversion to homosexuality is completely acceptable, if that’s what your religion teaches.

But religious arguments can’t work in the public forum, even in a state founded on Christian values. America is a nation of many faiths, so if we truly respect one another as free equals, we must reach beyond our personal intuitions and offer arguments that anyone can accept—base our laws on reasons that anyone can affirm, not just believers.

Just as the Hindu’s demand that I support a ban on eating beef falls on deaf ears, so too would my demand that he support banning gay marriage (Hinduism doesn’t explicitly address homosexuality). If we truly respect one another as fellow citizens in any serious way, in both cases, well-reasoned secular arguments must be supplied and discussed. And in both cases, such arguments are lacking.

So it’s completely consistent to personally denounce homosexual marriage—based on religion or whatever—but at the same time oppose a legal ban. The secular arguments just don’t hold water, and they’re all that’s admissible in the public forum.

It’s unnatural, against God’s will, indicative of an immoral lifestyle—I imagine similar arguments were used against interracial marriage a few short decades ago. Someone probably quibbled over the historical definition of “marriage” and argued that it had exclusively applied to intraracial couples. Maybe someone proposed we grant such couples “civil union” status? But over time the taboo lifted and the practice became first legally, then popularly sanctioned. Some religious denominations resisted, and that’s fine, but the state followed where reason led. Many churches will no doubt refuse to sanctify gay marriage, regardless of legality, and I’m by no means challenging their prerogative. But I’m confident public reason will prevail in the legal realm, and our officials will resist the call for a constitutional ban. Most already have—Palin should join them.

—Matt Deaton—

15 Comments leave one →
2008 October 23
Matteson permalink

I’m completely with you on the main point of your post. It is consistant to oppose same-sex marriage while opposing constitutional bans on it. As far as I know, marriage is a state right and that means that the Constitution and the Federal government should stay out of it.

However I get worried when you say things like:

“Some religious denominations resisted, and that’s fine,…”
and
“Following the doctrine of divine command theory, whatever God says goes, so a personal aversion to homosexuality is completely acceptable, if that’s what your religion teaches.”

It really just looks like you’re condoning bigotry. The key phrases in there smack of “justification,” and I don’t think that we should ever justify bigotry. Perhaps what you mean is something like “I understand why you would believe X given that you believe Y.” That would express an understanding of why people hold their bigot-beliefs without justifying bigotry. Just a thought…

2008 October 23
Matt permalink

I stand by those comments. Respect for liberty of conscience (freedom of thought) requires that we tolerate views some might consider bigoted, so long as they don’t carry over into unacceptable action. If you want to hate queers in your own home, for whatever reason, that’s fine. Hang a “no queers” sign on your front door—whatever. But unless your disdain is justifiable in secular terms, and in the case of homosexuality it appears that it isn’t, the rest of us have no reason to take your aversion seriously. Declare them an abomination and recruit them for conversion, but don’t bash them with bats or deny them equal legal rights.

I’m also reluctant to play thought policeman, and I’m taking religious belief seriously. Lots of very reasonable people are religious to one extent or another (including me), so I’m trying to make room for them to stay true to their faith, but at the same time emphasize that religious reasoning isn’t appropriate in the public forum. And that’s across the board, not just for homosexuality. The difference between this issue and most is that most can find some secualr support. Abortion can be condemned in secular terms, so can child abuse, so can any number of things. This just happens to be an issue with apparently little independent secular reason against it. I could be wrong—awaiting comments from the other direction :)

Also, when religious texts aren’t politically correct, it would be a disservice to religion itself to abandon those passages that are unpopular. This of course assumes that everyone is free to believe or not, and to leave a religion if they find it too contrary to their human experience of right and wrong to be truly the word of God. But to be clear, I’m not justifying action—only belief. To that extent, my argument could be used to rationalize bigotry. That’s just the price we pay as a nation of free thinkers.

—Matt—

2008 October 23
Matteson permalink

Dude, there’s a huge difference between “tolerance” and “justification.” The first means that I won’t hit you with a bat. The second means that I condone the bigot-thoughts and I think they’re right. I submit that it can’t ever be right to be a bigot. Therefore, one can’t be justified in ones bigot-attitudes.

I’ll tolerate the existence of bigots, but only to the extent that they can be persuaded to abandon their racist/sexist/homophobic beliefs. There is no liberal requirement that I justify any crazy belief that people happen to have.

2008 October 25
Matt permalink

What Rawls calls “the fact of reasonable pluralism” may well require us to respect beliefs that seem crazy (to us). Intelligent people can hold opposing views about fundamental things (religious beliefs and their implications, for example), and the limits of human knowledge may prevent us from making a definite judgement as to who is right. We can assert the superiority of our own views, but that seems to me to just be hollow arrogance. (Sorry if I’m sounding like a prick here, Mike!)

So I resist your tolerance vs. justification dilemma in light of reasonable pluralism, and think that maybe qualified respect is the preferable route. So long as a belief is somewhat reasonable, and I take belief in Christianity or Judaism or Islam to be somewhat reasonable, living one’s personal life in accordance with the mandates of a respective religion is something the rest of us should at least respect, so long as the behavior doesn’t harm others in an unacceptable way. So again, if you hate queers in your own home because your god says you should, doing so in your own home is fine. But imposing those views on others outside your home isn’t fine. (Children are a special case. Should the state teach your kids otherwise?)

So you might say to someone you’d consider a bigot, “I don’t think your views are fully justified (don’t think they make complete sense myself), but since I recognize that your religious beliefs could be true, and that if they were divine command theory would require you to hold moral beliefs I find bigoted, I’ll respect them—even if they’re abrasive. I’ll respect them at least as long as they don’t boil over into unacceptable action, and I definitely have no reason to take them seriously in the public forum if they can’t be justified in secular terms.”

So I think there’s lots of room for citizens to hold beliefs that others find unsavory or silly or bigoted, simply because all of us should be humble in the certainty of our worldviews. Doesn’t mean those views are justified, and it doesn’t mean we should merely tolerate them—it means we should respect them, as long as they’re fairly innocuous.

—Matt—

2009 June 30
Robert permalink

If same sex marriage is allowed then you open the door for other uncommon practices. We might as well accept polygamy, arranged marriages and incest.

2009 July 1

Hey Robert! Glad you joined in.

I think you’re right that the same reasons that support legal recognition of same-sex marriage could be used to justify polygamy, arranged marriages and incest, if we’re talking about rational consenting adults. But the same reasons also justify legally recognizing marriages between (or among) any pair (or group) of rational adults, including two-partner heterosexual partnerships.

You’re making a legit philosophical move here–it’s called “reductio ad absurdum” or just “reducing to the absurd”. It’s where you show that a certain line of reasoning would also lead to absurd implications, and thus must be rejected altogether.

However, in this particular case, on reflection, maybe instead of lumping all four practices together and denouncing them all since we presumably don’t like some, maybe we should seriously examine the reasons we have for banning polygamy, arranged marriages, and marriage amongst relatives. If it’s the case that the distinctions amongst them and heterosexual two-person partnerships aren’t all that pressing, then maybe our insistence that they be banned too is just as irrational as our insistence that gay marriage be banned!

So that’s the task for anyone interested in this line of argument–to pick out the relevant differences between these different forms of marriage and show why some should be legally recognized and others should not. Until that’s done, which I’ll leave to an interested reader, I’ll just assume that it’s plausible to think bias against polygamy, arranged marriages and incest (practiced amongst rational, consenting adults, mind you) is just as unfounded as bias against homosexual unions.

2009 July 1
Robert permalink

I would also like to add that I don’t think our politicians represent the true values that most Americans have. Most politicians will never speak out against gay marriage for fear of the Gay Mafia and other lobbyist groups. A good example would be Mrs. California or Sarah Palin and the way she is still attacked even after the presidential race is over. Hell, if NAMBLA had enough money and power politicians would be afraid to speak against them.
I know this is more politics then philosophy but since you used politicians in your article I thought I would add this.

2009 July 1

I agree, Robert, that politicians often fail to reflect their constituents’ values. But sometimes that’s actually a good thing. Say, if the majority wants to invade China or imprison all Arabs or prevent gays from getting married.

In those cases, either the citizenry’s mistaken about what’s in their best interests (China has nukes too!), or their preferences are illegitimate (rounding up ALL Arabs or precluding gay marriage infringes a minority’s civil rights). I’m not saying representatives always know best, nor that they shouldn’t pay any respect to their electorate’s wishes. I’m just saying that sometimes it’s a good thing there’s a barrier between the mob and legislation–sometimes the merits of representative democracy over direct democracy shine through more clearly than others.

And no need to try and be philosophical–post whatever you like. Poli phil is an applied philosophy, and connecting it to real world politics is the goal of SocratesVotes.

2009 July 1
Robert permalink

I disagree. I believe it is that attitude that leads the average person to either not trust their government or have little interest in politics altogether. Too often does the angry minority gather and form groups that influence Washington. While the happy majority just sits idly by and says what’s wrong with my country.
In this case we are talking about gay marriage. I believe most Americans would agree that marriage is between one man and one woman. If this was changed to protect a so called civil right of homosexuals then the government has just went against the beliefs of the people. Even California voted to pass a law against gay marriage to have it overturned then overturned again. In a true Democracy the majority vote is the will of the people not a big brother system.

2009 July 1
Robert permalink

Hey, how do I post my photo next to my name?

2009 July 5

Robert, you’re right that pure democracies simply enforce whatever the majority wants. But thankfully the US isn’t, and hasn’t ever been, a pure democracy. It’s a constitutional democracy. That means that the majority has control over much, but that it can’t infringe the inalienable rights of a minority.

For example, even if a majority wanted to prevent Arabs from purchasing health insurance, while legislators might pass such a law, it would be immediately overthrown as unconstitutional. Similarly, a majority could vote to exterminate homeless people and harvest their organs for transplant–but a judge would immediately see that such a policy conflicts with the overarching “metalaw” that all lower laws must conform with–the constitution.

And I think that’s a good thing. Simple democracy is just too immature to promote either justice or social stability. If the will of the people were completely unconstrained, none of us would be safe. If we think persons are of any great moral worth, we have to protect them not only from all enemies–foreign and domestic–but also from the state, and perhaps especially from the arbitrary wishes of their fellow citizens.

So even if a majority believed marriage should be exclusively between heterosexuals, that by itself isn’t reason enough to legally enforce such a restriction. And actually, even if the Constitution were amended to allow such a policy, since we could amend it to say anything we want (like “It’s OK to raise Baptist kids like cattle and harvest THEIR organs for the rest of us”), that by itself isn’t a fully justifying reason either. We have to think through these issues for ourselves, and I think the argument in the original article above shows that we simply don’t have good reason to maintain an arbitrary bias against committed gay citizens who’d like to get married.

P.S. Get yourself a fancy “gravatar” (picture by your name thingy) over at http://en.gravatar.com/

2009 July 7
Robert permalink

Wana see if my gravatar is working.

2009 July 7
Robert permalink

What’s wrong with harvesting the organs of the homeless? Interesting points, I have never thought of it like that. However, I do think that you are wrong to assume that the will of the people would cause chaos. Sure some individuals would feel betrayed or oppressed by their government but this is always going to be around no matter what. You could even go as far to say that the government ignoring the will of the majority is now oppressing them instead of the minority.

2009 July 7
Robert permalink

I can’t seem to get my avatar to work.

2009 July 8

Sure–a primitive democracy could work just fine and a minority with the state on their side could indeed oppress a majority.

The point isn’t that direct democracy would necessarily lead to injustices, or that representative democracy necessary leads to justice, but that we need to think issues through without paying too much attention to what the majority happens to find fashionable at the moment. Majorities have endorsed all sorts of terrible things over the course of history. Didn’t make them right then. Doesn’t make them right now.

Are you assigning an email address to your name when you post? You need to do that for the gravatar to work (whichever email you used with them when you signed up). [Yep--that's what you needed to do--just went in and fixed these last couple of posts for you.]

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