Is Smoking Pot Immoral? Should it be Illegal?

2009 February 18
by Matt Deaton

At 31, I’ve yet to partake in the ganja. It was ever-present as I came of age, and the peer pressure was often strong and direct. But though I did my share of underage drinking, I always resisted Mary Jane. It was just something I vowed to avoid when I was a kid. Plus, I got some practice doing the Nancy Reagan thing  in jr. high. Actually had one of those cliche’ encounters with a “pusher” at a football game: “Hey kid—wanna buy some weed?” “No,” with a nervous chuckle. “OK—don’t you tell anybody I asked…” That gave me the confidence to say no again and again, and besides—I got my rebellious kicks elsewhere. Once fully into manhood, there were the random drug tests in the Air Force and Air Guard to worry about, or to just use as an excuse when friends offered. “Can’t man, drug test.” I had a brief window of opportunity when I left the military in 2004, but I figured if I’d made it that long, no reason to start. Not that I needed another reason, but with a new son, the role model thing keeps me on the straight and narrow. Whether the fact that I’ve never smoked makes a difference for what I have to say below, you decide. Just thought I’d share in the name of full disclosure. And thank goodness Michael Phelps got caught smoking pot—gives me an excuse to write about it!

First things first, let’s distinguish the legal from the moral. Just because something is legally forbidden doesn’t mean it’s immoral, and just because something is legally allowed doesn’t mean it’s moral. Good law tracks morality, but the two realms are definitely distinct. For example, for a time, interracial marriage was legally forbidden—didn’t make it immoral. And, for a time, slavery was of course legally permissible—didn’t make it moral.

This means that the common argument that smoking pot is wrong because it’s illegal falls short. As members of a fairly (though not fully) just democracy, we all have some moral obligation to abide by democratically enacted laws. But that obligation itself can’t establish the inherent moral permissibility or impermissibility of an act. It can give us a moral reason to obey the law, but it can’t by itself morally condemn smoking pot, any more than it can by itself morally condemn interracial marriage or morally endorse slavery.

So beware of this bad (though common) argument:

Mary: Smoking pot is immoral because it’s illegal.

Jane: But why should it be illegal?

Mary: Because it’s immoral.

Jane: But why do you think it’s immoral?

Mary: Because it’s illegal.

Jane: Dude, you’re killing my buzz. Why is it illegal, again?

Mary needs to provide independent reasons why smoking pot is immoral—she’s essentially saying that it should be illegal because it is illegal, which is of course circular. Do any good arguments exist? Here are some candidates to consider. Smoking pot is immoral because…

Because it’s addictive. Since lots of activities are addictive that nobody but the Mormons think are immoral, this isn’t enough. Activities need to be something more than addictive to be immoral, otherwise blogging is immoral. (And that’s called a reductio ad absurdum, boys and girls.)

Because it’s addictive AND harmful. This is worth exploring, but “harmful” needs to be unpacked. Does pot steal your soul like heroine? No. Does it pickle your liver like booze? No. Does it tend to make you slothful, a little slower upstairs than you would be otherwise, rob you of some degree of motivation? For many users, if we’re honest with ourselves, I think we have to say yes. Everybody knows a “burnout” when they meet one—they’re just a little slower, denser, thicker than the rest of us. Does making yourself dumber and less outgoing than you’d otherwise be constitute harm? Maybe so. Becoming less industrious, less bright, and lazier all seem moves in the wrong direction. But even if this constitutes some degree of harm, the bigger question is, is this enough to render smoking pot immoral? After all, you’re only harming yourself. Indeed, some independent types would say that it’s morally permissible to do whatever you like to yourself (even kill yourself), so long as you don’t hurt anyone else. Since smoking pot only harms the user, they argue, it’s cool. But they neglect those with whom we have relationships—the loved ones our habits can affect. If pot essentially alters who you are, makes you less responsive, more socially withdrawn, more dim-witted, then since all of these factors play into how you interact with others, and probably for the worse, that counts as a form of harm to others. (I can hear the moans and groans already. I didn’t expect to be this negative, I swear! That’s just how it’s working out.) Now, that doesn’t mean it’s harm enough to render the activity immoral—we don’t have an obligation to be maximally good to our loved ones, just adequately good. It just means the issue isn’t as clear cut as some would have us think. I’ve seen how drugs can alter a person’s personality, and I’ve seen those changes hurt relationships. In fact, I’ve seen it lead to suicide twice, which definitely harms those left behind. LOTS of compounding factors pushed the people in question THAT far—and they weren’t just smoking an occasional joint—they were on some really bad stuff. But the point is that substance abuse played a role in harming people other than the abusers themselves. Could weed by itself cause such a momentous collapse? I doubt it. Laziness and dunderheadedness, yeah, but not suicide. But what if it led to drugs that could…

Because though pot itself does only insignificant harm, it’s a gateway to harder drugs that cause great harm. Interpreted as a blanket statement, this is pretty easy to shoot down. EVERYONE who smokes a joint in college doesn’t wind up a crack head. But some people certainly do. What are the numbers? I dunno. But for the sake of argument, say that 15% of those who smoke pot go on to something much harder—something we all agree causes great harm to both the abuser and their loved ones. Is that reason enough to denounce smoking pot itself as immoral? Maybe so. If you recognize that an activity poses a 15% chance of eventually causing great harm to yourself and your loved ones, you probably have a strong moral obligation to abstain from that activity. As the level of harm and the likelihood of it occurring increases, so too does the obligation to abstain. So if a person has a family history of hard substance abuse (which means they’re probably genetically predisposed to become hard substance abusers themselves), are young and irresponsible, are already addicted to cigarettes and liquor, out of respect for themselves and their loved ones, they have a pretty strong moral obligation to stay far, far away from anything that might lead them down that path, including smoking a quick bowl. But on the other hand, a reasonably intelligent adult with impeccable self-control and no family history of abuse and a social support network to identify and head off potential addiction might have a relatively weak obligation to not smoke weed. In fact, it might be clearly morally permissible in some cases. Point is, the risk of abuse and subsequent harm is probably always there, but it comes in differing degrees, which then produces differing obligations in differing degrees.

Conclusions: Those seem to be the strongest points against smoking weed, and after careful analysis, it looks like we can’t make an across-the-board statement that it’s always good or that it’s always bad. As with most moral questions, careful thought leads us to a carefully tailored position. Perhaps all we can say is that smoking pot is more or less immoral depending on the person smoking it and their circumstances (likelihood to move on to harder stuff, frequency of smoking which might exacerbate the negative personality effects, degree of responsibilities to others, etc.). We can say that it almost always causes some personality change, but so do lots of things. I do mixed martial arts once a week, and though it relieves some stress, it probably makes me a little cockier than I’d otherwise be. That makes me more apt to be frank with strangers, to be blunt with students, and to sometimes come across as, well, a bit of a prick (sorry!). That’s a form of harm—I’m more ornery than I’d otherwise be—but I don’t think it’s enough to override the satisfaction I get from physical competition, the increased confidence from knowing how to better defend myself, the camaraderie at the gym, etc. And beyond that, smoking pot probably makes some people better! Artists swear it makes them more creative, and hey, if you need a joint after work to keep from kicking your dog, yelling at your wife and beating your kids, by all means, spark up! You probably need some therapy too, but in the meantime, everybody’s probably better off if you sneak a little smoke. (Surprisingly, a person in this case may even have a moral obligation to smoke…)

Which brings us to our last question—should smoking pot be illegal?

Like most things, it should probably be heavily regulated, but not categorically banned. (Even killing, the worst of all sins, isn’t categorically banned—it’s OK to kill in self-defense.) Especially since that’s how we treat alcohol. From what I’ve read and heard, the socially destructive effects of alcohol are by far greater than those of marijuana. Drunks start fights and drive on the sidewalk. Stoners just play Mario Kart and eat Cheetos. The likelihood of developing an addiction or abusing harder substances is probably comperable, and so too are the personality effects (alcohol kills brain cells too, unfortunately…). If we’re going to allow but regulate alcohol, logical consistency demands that we allow but regulate weed. Plus, legalizing marijuana would do a world of good to stop the escalating violence at the Mexican border. That’s a whole lot of murdering for no good reason. Oh, and think of the jobs Winston-Salem could create with their newly renovated factory! A funky new stimulus package up Obama’s sleeve, perhaps?

So there you go. Smoking weed is immoral to the extent that the person smoking harms themselves and others, and moral to the extent that it benefits themselves and others (on whole), which depends on factors unique to each case. The same could be said of binge eating or drinking beer or even watching college football, all three of which I’ve done to excess to the detriment of others at one time or another (just in case anybody thought I was getting too holier than thou). And given that weed’s probably no more harmful (probably even less harmful) than alcohol, though it should definitely be regulated (forbidden for high-risk hardcore abusers and reserved for competent, responsible, over 21 adults—sorry kids!), it shouldn’t be categorically illegal. But of course, I’ve never smoked it, so what do I know.

22 Comments leave one →
2009 February 19
charlie permalink

good topic mathew, yes it should be illegal. you mentioned many reasons especially due to it being addictive and a gateway to other drugs. my thoughts are, hey lets legalize it, then your next topic is gonna be, hey should lsd or coke be legal. hey matt, lets legalize acid, if you dont abuse it, it will be fine, noooo. right now the potheads are that are addicted to pot and other drugs also are worried about marijuanna being legalized. if it ever made legal, then its going to be boring to them and not as “cool” so therefor lets live life in the fast lane and try something else. its just like working in the jail. we allow cigarettes in the cells to the inmates, okay we where getting marijuanna snuck in left and right. we ban cigarettes so we where not seing much marijuanna snuck in after that, they where to worried about sneaking cigarettes in. so therefor, why make it legal. yes i agree with all of your moral and inmoral talk but sometimes life just sucks.

2009 February 19

alright, full disclosure: it’s been years and years since i’ve taken so much as a toke, but i’ve burned some shrubbery in my day. there. bias. i have it.
for the illegal=immoral argument, anyone past stage one on kohlberg’s model of moral development can see beyond that, which is to say, most adolescents and adults (hopefully). not a good argument for anyone beyond pre-conventional levels of moral reasoning.
concerning addiction and morality, you have the right of it there too, i think. taken down to the base, it is a ridiculous point.
the point of being harmful can be argued, but i think that we should remove the substance from its current “illegal” status in order to better evaluate “harm”. if it were a modern pharmaceutical, available by prescription or over the counter, these would be considered “side effects” and so long as the benefits to users or patients outweigh the side effects or are at least tolerable, the drug is a-ok. following that logic, if i take lipitor to control my cholesterol and it destroys my ability to control my own blood sugar and i develop diabetes (a side effect), is it immoral of me to take lipitor? alright, a cholesterol-reducing drug which keeps me “healthy” might not be the best comparison to weed, how about… prozac? side effects include “problems with balance or coordination, agitation, confusion, sweating, fast heartbeat, headache, confusion, trouble concentrating, hallucinations…” taking prozac to control a mental disorder is immoral because it can be harmful? i don’t think so.
i think i’d argue the same points above about several “harder” drugs, as well, actually. lsd, for one. the prozac argument is actually more relevant with lsd. but i don’t want to get stuck here.
it shouldn’t matter at all what one chooses to put into or take out of one’s own body. period. it shouldn’t concern other people. at all. even if those behaviors lead to the demise of the person, intentional or otherwise.
the only argument i can see is one of harm to others. if the drug use/abuse or other behavior causes harm to others/society unequal to the benefits to the user, that would be unethical. and yes, that can be the case with some illegal drugs - though some of the harm is undoubtedly caused by the substance being illegal.
in fact, i think it could readily be argued that substantial harm is caused to society by the war on drugs.
conclusion: i agree with you for many of the same reasons. weed (and probably several other drugs) should be legalized, regulated and, of course, taxed to high heaven. :)

2009 February 19
Mindy permalink

This was very interesting to me on many levels. One is that Ivy came back from school after DARE class and told me that people who do drugs are bad people. I had to explain to her that everyone who does drugs is not a bad person they just may be making bad choices. She also got confused about what was considered a “drug” I actually had to explain to her that just b/c you take cough syrup for a cough you are not a druggie.
Medicinally, I think that they should branch out and start using it to treat severe anxiety since the meds they put you on have far worse side effects than maryjane. My klonopins throw off my balance, they make me edgy the second they are out of my system, the affect my memory and my response time is now 2 seconds slower than the average individual. These are very scary symptoms and hard to deal with. On the MJ end of it Gee, it really sucks to feel a little stoned.

2009 February 19
david n permalink

Wow, I can remember essay papers in high school and college about this topic but not as logically detailed as this post. I think that, in a way, that the reason why you smoke wacky tabacky determines if it is immoral or moral. There are people who smoke it for the medicinal properties to combat cancer and I see this as moral. Like taking Procrit to make your body produce more red blood cells while doing chemotherapy, smoking pot enables the patient to get nourishment, more willingly to help the body keep up with maintenance. I don’t see many people disagreeing with this unless you’re president of the Dick Cheney fan club. However, if you think it is morale to be an individual, to take the unbeaten path, and you smoke pot to fit in with the crowd or to be cool like everyone else, you just violated your rule. Smoking pot in this instance is immoral. As far as the “harm” issue goes, I agree with everything posted above.

2009 February 19

A further complication to this discussion is not simply the merit or vices of Pot, but its larger industry. One of the largest consequences of the drug trade is not the availability and consumption of pot, but that it funds organized gangs. Biker gangs in particular have benefited from the traffic of “Mary Jane.” So let me suggest a new question: if a product itself was found to be safe but its trade was prohibited by the state, would it be justifiable to break the state’s prohibition? Alternatively, is it justifiable to publicly regulate the trade of a drug one knows to be mildly detrimental to the public in order to eliminate its illegal trade?

2009 February 22

As always, thanks to everyone for taking the time to read and comment. It had been a while since I’d posted anything substantive—really tied up at school. Glad to see some of you were still paying attention.

Charlie: having worked in a jail, you have special experience that the rest of us lack. So we should definitely listen to what you have to say. However, I bet the reason you saw an increase in marijuana inside the jail when you allowed cigarettes, and a decrease when they were banned, wasn’t because inmates were always itching to push the threshold, but rather because weed could be more easily smuggled in. I imagine a family member could unpack a random cigarette, repack it with weed and get it in to their loved one pretty easily, which wouldn’t be the case if cigarettes were banned altogether. Plus, allowing cigarettes also means allowing lighters and maybe even rolling papers. I think there’s something to your point—people sometimes do want to go just one step beyond what’s allowed. But I’m not convinced your example supports it.

Also, you imply a worry that legalized marijuana would quickly lead to legalized heroine. That’s a common complaint, but I think we can distinguish weed, which is apparently about as intoxicating and potentially addictive as alcohol, from heroine and other hard drugs, some of which are incredibly debilitating, addictive, destructive, ect. Though we certainly could go down that slope, since there are clear differences between weed and harder drugs, there’s no reason to think it’s all that slippery.

Lil: You certainly didn’t need a reminder that legal doesn’t = moral and vice versa, but some people certainly did (as I’m sure you realize).

Framing weed as a pharmecutical is useful, but maybe a little too euphemistic. For one, we don’t treat alcohol that way, and second, I’m mainly talking about the ethics of smoking pot as a recreational activity, not as serious therapy. That’s probably enough to kill that particular analogy, but actually, we can examine what I take to be your main point without it. You seem to be endorsing the principle that there’s nothing immoral about harming others by harming oneself.

[you wrote above]: “it shouldn’t matter at all what one chooses to put into or take out of one’s own body. period. it shouldn’t concern other people. at all. even if those behaviors lead to the demise of the person, intentional or otherwise. the only argument i can see is one of harm to others. if the drug use/abuse or other behavior causes harm to others/society unequal to the benefits to the user, that would be unethical.”

I think you should rethink your stance. You’d agree that parents have pretty strong moral obligations to their children that entail staying fit for parenting, right? We frown on all crackheads, but on crackheads with kids more than those without because in harming themselves they’re harming their children. Weed of course isn’t pot, and friends of course aren’t children. And we don’t have obligations to our loved ones to be our absolute best, but only good enough (whatever being a good enough friend, daughter/son, mother/father, wife/husband entails). Thus, the reason I say that in many cases, smoking weed is absolutely fine. (It’s only when you have a propensity to move onto and become addicted to more harmful stuff that it’s not. Or when you’re completely fried.) But just examining that principle out of context, it seems pretty clear that the harm we cause others by harming ourselves is at least morally relevant—something we have to include in any all-things-considered decision about what’s morally right or wrong in a specific case. Being a complete burn-out when you might otherwise be an engaging, lively friend/son/father/whatever does some damage to the counterparts in those relationships, and being dead does even more. And more to the point, if harming others is morally relevant in other contexts (like when you poke them in the eye with a sharp stick), I don’t see why it wouldn’t be relevant in this context as well (when you’re only indirectly causing harm via harm to yourself). I can see why we’d resist it (cramps our personal freedom, which sucks). But I can’t see why we’d dismiss it on principled grounds.

Mindy: Officials tend to blow things so out of proportion that anyone who knows just a little bit better winds up tuning out altogether. I remember cops coming to school and telling us that since weed is an upper and alcohol is a downer (is that even true?), mixing the two is bound to KILL you. Maybe that’s happened somewhere, but I’ve seen people mix the two for years. No deaths yet.

Telling kids that people who use drugs are “bad” is just plain cruel. Those cops know damned well some of those kids’ parents smoke a joint on the weekends, which isn’t any worse than having a few beers on the weekend. One just happens to be illegal, and for apparently no good reason. I know they’re just doing their job, but what makes a person go as far as to try and diminish a child’s view of his or her parents, I don’t understand.

CA is apparently leading the way in medicinal use. I don’t see it spreading too far east anytime soon though. Not sure why though. I’ve argued that it’s morally permissible to smoke for recreational purposes for many people in many circumstances (though not all), so if a person could find some genuine medical benefit, that would clearly be OK.

David: Thanks man! Very glad you jumped in.

Yeah, intent does indeed have some bearing on the ethics of an action. I try to keep all the technical language to myself, but you’re pushing a key feature of Kantian Ethics—that actions are right/wrong depending on the intent of the agent. The antagonists are the Consequentialists, who argue that intent means next to nothing—it’s the consequences an action produces that determine whether it’s right/wrong. (I’ll send you this “Ethics in a Nutshell” essay I made for my students to save space here.) You may be implicitly drawing on a Virtue Ethics perspective though, with some implicit conception of what it means to be true to oneself. Bowing to peer pressure would be unvirtuous, and therefore unethical. That’s of course obvious—just trying to add to it with some philosophical tools.

Liam: Good to hear from you , my 2nd favorite Canadian (I’m a Georges “Rush”St. Pierre fan, I’m afraid)! Excellent questions. I only briefly alluded to this in the article when I mentioned all the murdering on our Mexican border, but it deserves more attention.

When it comes to the violence of the drug trade, three parties are to blame: the buyers, the sellers (as an industry) and the state. Thugs in the industry cause the direct harm—that’s obvious enough. Since they’re usually the one’s instigating the violence, they’re probably most at fault. However, the state comes in a close second. Hard-headed bureaucrats can’t bring themselves to admit there’s no relevant difference between alcohol and weed, and that if we’re going to allow one we ought to allow the other. That would satisfy the hippies, so we’ll just put up with the murdering. And last, even though there’s little wrong with smoking it (for many people anyway—see original post), there can be quite a lot wrong with buying it from the wrong source. If you had good reason to believe the purchase of an otherwise innocuous product would lead to great harm, you’d at the very least have to take that into consideration. (If I knew buying a stick of gum would blow up Manhattan, I shouldn’t buy the freaking gum, despite the permissibility of chewing it.) That said, if you buy local from reputable sources, or if you grow your own, that’s not a factor. But yeah, the violence of the industry itself is something else to keep in mind—one more reason it should be heavily regulated, but legalized.

2009 February 22
Matteson permalink

Hey Matt,

Quite an extensive post. It seems that the most important part of the argument is that we shouldn’t frivolously do things that significantly harm others. I’m on board with that idea.

I just don’t think that weed does these things unless it is used to excess. Since the same is true of Scrabble, it probably ought to be allowed.

If it turns out that a person is harming others through their self-directed actions then they should be dealt with in the same ways that we deal with anyone who harms others.

-Mike

2009 February 23

thought you’d find this interesting: http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_11766760

as for my personal freedoms vs. harming others argument, i think i’m sticking to my story. i don’t think it’s in the best interest of society to tell people what they can and can’t do to themselves. as for those actions harming others, i think we are getting into sociology here - social actions? meh, anyway - every single thing we do affects each person we are connected to and often far beyond. the ramifications are really limitless. ripples in a pond. i understand what you are saying, people make immoral decisions all the time, but i think that personal freedom probably trumps most of the consequences - not all certainly, but most. becoming intoxicated (via any substance) to the point that your ability to care for dependents is impaired, that’s unethical, obviously. but that can currently be achieved through alcohol, which is available to anyone over age legally, and therefore isn’t an argument to keep weed illegal.

2009 February 23

Mike: Yeah, that’s a nice way of saying this article was a little long-winded. No need to sugar coat it–I’m the one breaking my own rules of good writing (clarity, brevity, simplicity, humanity… rules I stole from William Zinsser).

Sounds like we agree. Though I wouldn’t have expected that a couple years ago. All that Rawls and Kantianism finally getting to you? Resistance is futile! [Inside joke made public--Mike's a fellow teaching assistant in the Philosophy Department who did his undergrad at a university big on consequentialism and libertarianism. UT's big on just the opposite--Kantian ethics and Rawlsian liberalism.]

Lill: Shoot yeah [from that article on California's proposed legalization]: “[State legislator] Ammiano said the law, if passed, could generate more than $1.3 billion in much-needed revenue for the state. ‘California has the opportunity to be the first state in the nation to enact a smart, responsible public policy for the control and regulation of marijuana,’ he said.” CA’s all screwed up on guns, but at least they’ve got their act together on weed ;)

Per your elaboration, I think we agree, actually. Personal freedom takes precedence the vast majority of the time, but to the degree that a person has relational obligations (kids, a spouse, loving family, close friends), and to the extent that they’re really screwing themselves up (not just relaxing with a joint or two on the weekends, but hitting it hard, often and sliding towards harder, more damaging stuff), then the balance swings in favor of the ties that bind. That’s all I’m saying, and I think that’s all you’re saying. Agreement–hooray!

2009 February 25
Matteson permalink

No way man. I remain a consequentialist and a Libertarian (although of a particular sort).

I agree with you to the extent that we ought to prevent people from harming other people. That’s one of the functions that a State should serve. It might also be said that a State should try to keep people from harming themselves, but I would say that people should be allowed to harm themselves as long as they’re aware that they are doing so. I doubt that anyone smokes weed (or anything else) with the belief that it’s “good for them” or contains vitamins and such. If someone wants to take an action that is harmful to them in some way they should be allowed to do so. Their actions may be limited to the extent that they harm others. None of that is at odds with my libertarianism or my consequentialism.

At least, I don’t think so. Is it?

2009 March 6
Mindy permalink

you know I remember the same thing happening to me in the 4th grade. During health class they had nurse come in and talk about how bad smoking cigarettes was for you. She had this funny little contraption that you put a lit cigarette in and it pumped the smoke and tar onto a paper lung. They asked all the kids with smoking parents to take one home. In our child minds, our parents were already in the grave if they smoked. I will never forget the look on my mothers face when I showed it to her and feeling so ashamed of myself. The look on her face was not fear, not anger but shame. I made MY mother feel ashamed of herself. I will never forget that moment and how that made me feel to have made my mother have that look in her eyes. Cop’s and “health professional” should think about these things before they send kids home with ” information”. It is no right of theirs to judge whether my mother should or should not feel ashamed or little “Kevin’s” parents should feel guilty for taking their prescriptions or little “pattie’s” parents should feel guilty for smoking a joint after she goes to sleep. ARRRGGGGHHHH! I am sorry! Recalling that memory just made me realize that I was the exact same age that Ivy is now. So that means they are, and have been, sending these messages to 10 year olds for years. At least 18 anyway.
Besides I would rather have every neighbor of mine smoking pot than to have that one guy up the road that got caught cooking and selling meth( who got out of jail in 9 mo and according to the TBI website, he still is in jail). That is my therapeutic rant for today. Thank You.

2009 March 6
Mindy permalink

oh and as far as the hurting others argument, ya ever hear of Paxil? As far as the hurting themselves argument, I fell down the stairs today, someone want to confiscate my stairs and take my walking rights away? Okay, an extreme example but in it’s defense, I tend to fall down the stairs a lot and it is harmful to me, as I found out at 8 mo pregnant when I fractured my tailbone, putting both me and Q in danger.

2009 March 6
Matteson permalink

Mindy,
I thought I was the only person who fell down stairs in their own home! Glad it’s not just me!

Apparently socks and carpeted stairs are a dangerous combo.

-Mike

2009 May 27
Laura permalink

Weed like all other drugs effects your health and social well being. so why is weed illegal? why isnt alcohol or pain pills illegal? we’re taught from a young age that weed is bad and against the law. so this is why some believe it to be immoral. but what makes other mind altering drugs not immoral? I believe if a person wants to do drugs their going to do them, moral, immoral, healthy, unhealthy. whether they continue to smoke weed or move on to harsher drugs is their own free will. some people cant say “no” or its just so much easier saying “yes”. does that make the drug immoral, no, just makes the person easily influenced. televison and movies portray smoking weed as being cool. so why would we believe it to be immoral, if the wonderful world of entertainment tv displays it to be glamorous.

2009 May 27

Hi Laura–welcome to the conversation.

So you make several observations: 1) It’s puzzling why weed’s illegal why alcohol is not; 2) Culture shapes our moral biases; 3) Smoking is a personal decision; 4) Pop entertainment generally glamorizes soft drug use.

Those are all good points. I might add to #2 that while culture and upbringing certainly predisposes our moral lens, almost everyone is capable of revising their morality on reflection. Actually, everyone is probably “capable,” but different people refuse to seriously analyze their personal ethics for different reasons. Some are afraid that their status with friends and family depends on a shared set of values, so they don’t challenge those values, no matter how unsupportable they may be, just for the sake of maintaining those relationships. Some people find their moral biases convenient, since maybe they already dislike someone they deem immoral, or their own behavior is somehow rationalized. Some people’s personal ethics are tied up with their religion, and they’re afraid that thinking too hard about what we ought to do would be blasphemous. And some people are just intellectually lazy.

Moving beyond those barriers probably takes courage, self-confidence, and some innate desire to do the right thing. So I shouldn’t say everyone has it within their power to think about ethical issues with their own mind. Just everyone with a sliver of courage, dignity and goodness ;)

2009 June 11
Ann Thomas permalink

I must say this is a great argument but did you ever think that maybe …..

I do recall there was a time when alcohol was banned from the land of the free (the USA) in the 1920’s, as this ban was going on, people were sneaking around and serving the alcohol illegal much like we do with drugs like weed.

Which brings me to my theory that alcohol was in high demand in those time (1920’s) which became extremely scares, so that meant people paid ridicules amounts of money to get there hands on some moon shine. In the 1920’s guess who were the biggest bootleggers in the country? The Kennedy’s. John F. K. became president did he not? My theory is the government did this ban on alcohol because the rich were getting richer off of it and while the poor were getting drunker. So who is to say that the government is banning the usage of weed because they make a profit off of it, maybe our next president’s family are under ground dope dealers.

Commenting on weed as a gateway drug, alcohol is a gateway to anger, rage, and behavior that can be unruly. Many people react to substance in different ways. Although I have never smoked weed, I know plenty of people who do smoke weed and they function great. But of course there are those who can’t function at all but there can be restrictions to this if it were legal.

People that are rich can only afford harder drugs …so most college student just stick to the gonja. Yes, crack is cheap …but seriously how many college students do you know that actually do crack? And actually stay as a college student; there priorities were not straight to begin with.

2009 October 28
Kenzie Holdway permalink

Smoking pot is not immoral, and yes! it should be legal.

I think marijuana catches a worse reputation than it deserves. I think anyone who has both, smoked pot and drank alcohol, would be willing to say that pot is definitely the safer among the two. (Except of course the occasional person that pot just really messes with for some reason! Maybe it’s allergies?!) Alcohol should be illegal before marijuana. Look at the statistics of drunk driving accidents. Do you hear about marijuana related accidents the way you do accidents involving alcohol? NO. Not to mention as you said Matt, the domestic problems that arise.

I actually think that pot is a topic that many people are not even completely honest with others on for the fear of being criticized. Matt, Perfect example with Michael Phelps. Do you really think he would have EVER publicly admitted smoking pot if not forced too? And, he is still forced to publicly claim it is a bad choice whether he actually feels that way or not, due to his status. I think many of us would actually be surprised to know how many people around us actually smoke marijuana on a regular basis. These people may not participate in other “bad” activity, even drinking. I actually know people that smoke marijuana on a daily basis that function just fine; they get up and go to work, go to school, take care of families, etc., the point is they are fully functional, smart, responsible people. It’s just a great stress relief for many.

If marijuana was to become legal, it may actually decrease the use of other drugs. Who knows the real truth of that, but it would be a hope. Like Matt said it would also reduce violence at our borders. Not to mention the reduction of dealers and the tax dollars that would actually benefit the economy. Chaching! Oh, and don’t forget the growers; someone would have to produce it.

Overall, I take a positive stance on marijuana. I see where people can see negatives about it but, what is their real knowledge and experience with marijuana. It is not for some people. If you don’t like it, don’t smoke it.

By the way Matt..cool website, I’ll have to keep an eye on it!

2009 December 15
sam permalink

no one can prove to me that weed is any more addictive than booze, eating, playing video games, or milking the snake. it depends on the person. some people have addictive personalities. i smoke weed for recreation and medically. i have insomnia. my group of friends that i hangout with have made a goal to never be the burnout stoners and i am happy to say so far so good after 3-5 years of smoking we have learned how to make smoking was more fun. we plan to do stuff and get high before. hiking chief among them. we stay very active and you have to have a reason to be motivated in the first place. its all about keeping things in perspective.

2009 December 16

Welcome to the conversation, Sam. I’d say whether weed is addictive and personally destructive does indeed depend on the person. Meth, on the other hand, seems to be a life killer across the board. But just from anecdotal interviews, pot isn’t any more addictive than alcohol–probably less so than cigarettes. With that in mind, a potential smoker should honestly assess their weaknesses, stay away if it could be a real problem, and in any case take things slow. Don’t want a potential Nobel laureate to turn into Cheech!

From what you’ve said, it sounds like you and your buds do have things in perspective, and so long as you’re being honest with yourselves and not doing anything dangerous, behaving ethically. Keep one another in check though. Take that commitment seriously and don’t be afraid to call someone out if they start slipping–you’d expect the same.

P.S. “milking the snake” — :D

2010 January 9
Justin thomas permalink

Wow awesome article smartly written! As a stoner myself I will keep this article in the forefront of my mind each time I “spark up” is this the only article on this subject you have written?

2010 January 12

Hi, Justin. Welcome.

Thanks–glad you liked it. Yep, only article I’ve written on the ethics of illegal drug use. Surprisingly, this is one of the most popular articles on the site. Most readers land at Socrates Votes via google, and at least a third of the time they’re searching “is smoking pot immoral” or some close variant. I wonder how often portions have wound up in plagiarized term papers :)

Do indeed keep the risks and ethical implications of the negative effects in mind, do whatever you do responsibly, and come back anytime.

2010 January 24
Chris Martin permalink

On whether pot is addictive or personally destructive, a 2007 study in the Lancet found that alcohol and tobacco are far more harmful physically and socially than marijuana, LSD, or ectsasy:

“Development of a rational scale to assess the harm of drugs of potential misuse”
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(07)60464-4/abstract

The abstract available on their website, and you can read the full article after free registration. How Stuff Works shows the ranking they came up with and the multidisciplinary scientific assessment they used to make it:

“Is alcohol more dangerous than ecstasy?”
http://health.howstuffworks.com/health-illness/treatment/medicine/medications/drug-ranking.htm

The long and short of it is, if our drug policy were based on science, marijuana would be legal. And if our drug morals were based on reason, marijuana would not be stigmatized.

“Scientists want new drug rankings”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6474053.stm

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